GTL updates and AUV3 version

Hi dear Jack, I hope you’re going well 👋

Any plan on your side to release a GTL update with AUV3 update?

Even with Loopy Pro coming, my preference is still going to GTL.

An AUV3 version could be very sweet 😌

Jean

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  • What do you imagine for a GTL AUv3 version? Please share your thoughts…

  • That’s what LoopUnit is going to be. It will basically be an AUv3 effect version of GTL pro. Minus the input mixer and the ability to host other AUv3 effects.

    Yes please share any thoughts.
  • edited November 13
    I haven’t think too much about it yet.

    It should stay user friendly and intuitive like GTL already is, which is one of its main strength. This doesn’t mean it’s not also already a deep app full of capabilities, but quite often adding tons of complex functionality can lead to make an app which slow down or brake creativity.

    For example adding some advanced audio editing capabilities can be interesting but must be integrated a way it merges well with the rest of the app and not interfere with global interface/standard use.

    Loopunit and GTL Pro should both keep all those nice midi actions including complex custom ones.

    Also, some ideas:

    - More loops in a group of course.
    - Built in follow actions in the group (can be set without midi actions), and even groups in a group with follow actions for this subgroup only. See Ableton. That can helps making random variations of a percussion for example.
    -Groups are already mutually exclusive, loops could also be in subgroups, but also per loops line: example if all loops 1 in all groups are drums, they could be mutually exclusive in their own horizontal subgroup with why not follow actions too. Again see Ableton.
    - reverse playing of a loop, with midi action
    - midi loops, with midi routing for Loopunit and AUV3 instruments hosting for GTL Pro. Midi import/export and piano roll. Just like Ableton, nobody has really made it in one single app on iPad yet.
    -sequencer with timeline, look still on Ableton way to manage this.
    -audio editor with advanced capabilities.
    -GTL Pro mixer with advanced routing features like AUM or Ableton, and VERY important: snapshots, both channels and full mixer, including AUV3 states. Built in automation per group or loop, or even timeline.

    Again, if some features are too long to implement or too difficult or if app can loose too much simplicity or stability, it should be avoided. I prefer an app which makes something more simple but really well, than something too complex and full of bugs or unintuitive. It’s a looper first, becoming a bit more dawish doesn’t mean it should become a full heavy daw!!

    Mixing audio and midi is a true need in looping. See this workflow video I made a few days ago, with full song made in real time in less than 10 mn in AUM with 4Pockets apps:

  • IMHO the easiest path to achieve what you want/need could be improve audio recorder GTL functionality (and click/drummer track).

    Audio recorder should have multiple lines/tracks and some kind of markers (cue song parts)
    Click/drummer track should have song mode (think in a groovebox) with chainable patterns and midi control of these patterns. Editor will be handy but something like sdrum pedal maybe will be more useful.

    Dedicated mixer/bus/fx system outside the slots. ATM is useful but the whole metaphor seems working against multitracking management on timeline.

    About slot choke and so…
    I will suggest keep the channel count low (8 audio looping tracks) and maybe main group apart. Midi track for click/drummer should be a thing it’s own. Then grow from there in complexity. Midi looping has it’s own drawbacks (all in my Humble opinion of course)

    Garageband drummer based on sdrum could be like trio+ band pedal iPad version.

    OTOH @janosax Did you tried lumbeat apps? What you are performing in the video is faster and more powerful from the combo of iBassist and some drummer and you can link those with actual GTL (or anything). It’s the most powerful arranger (think in ketrons) I have found.
    It’s like Trio+ but with midi/audio export (digitech pedals are a bit limited).

    Another option could be Beatbuddy pedal.

  • edited November 14

    @dubbylabby that’s interesting but not what I’m searching for, I’m more after real-time composition and not automatic arrangers/notes generators. So midi tools all the way. If not in GTL it will perhaps be something like GTL + LK. I don’t want a powerful note generation, I want my own notes, aka my own groove and own feeling. That doesn’t mean I don’t use samples or generative stuff. And I’m not in hardware devices, much more in iPad. I want all in one compact and mobile solution, iOS has been rock solid and very capable all those years for me, for what I wanted/want to achieve. My video above is not live music, just a composition demo with 4Pockets apps. That is not exactly like my usual looping stuff using GTL.

  • edited November 15

    @janosax said:
    I haven’t think too much about it yet.

    It should stay user friendly and intuitive like GTL already is, which is one of its main strength. This doesn’t mean it’s not also already a deep app full of capabilities, but quite often adding tons of complex functionality can lead to make an app which slow down or brake creativity.

    For example adding some advanced audio editing capabilities can be interesting but must be integrated a way it merges well with the rest of the app and not interfere with global interface/standard use.

    Loopunit and GTL Pro should both keep all those nice midi actions including complex custom ones.

    That's the plan and more hopefully.


    Also, some ideas:

    - More loops in a group of course.

    Yep, it's more of a dynamic layout so you can just keep adding loops. Well as many as your device can handle.

    • Built in follow actions in the group (can be set without midi actions), and even groups in a group with follow actions for this subgroup only. See Ableton. That can helps making random variations of a percussion for example.

    Good idea!

    -Groups are already mutually exclusive, loops could also be in subgroups, but also per loops line: example if all loops 1 in all groups are drums, they could be mutually exclusive in their own horizontal subgroup with why not follow actions too. Again see Ableton.

    Cool idea, not sure how I'd do that with the current work flow. Maybe a tagging system where you assign a tag (e.g drums) which then lays the loops out in a logical order. This could be a good addition in a later update.

    • reverse playing of a loop, with midi action

    Yeh I'll do this, it's been asked for awhile. I wonder wether it should actually run the playhead in reverse or simply render the reverse effect in the background/offline. I suspect the former would be best.

    • midi loops, with midi routing for Loopunit and AUV3 instruments hosting for GTL Pro. Midi import/export and piano roll. Just like Ableton, nobody has really made it in one single app on iPad yet.

    I'd love to do this! It's a big job though, different mechanics entirely. It strikes me as an add-on or a later update.

    -sequencer with timeline, look still on Ableton way to manage this.

    This is not in the design however I've always wanted to add a playback sequencer. Maybe a drag and drop system to play a particular sequence of groups, trigger records etc.

    -audio editor with advanced capabilities.

    Yep that will happen.

    -GTL Pro mixer with advanced routing features like AUM or Ableton, and VERY important: snapshots, both channels and full mixer, including AUV3 states. Built in automation per group or loop, or even timeline.

    This will be the main feature of GTL Pro. The starting state will be similar to GTL however have the ability to be much more complex. There will be two levels, the input mixer and the channel mixer. The input mixer will sum physical audio inputs and Auv3 instruments to mix busses. Then on the channel mixer you select the loop's input, this could be one of the input busses, and the loops volume pan and output. Both the input and channel mixer will allow you to add effects.


    Again, if some features are too long to implement or too difficult or if app can loose too much simplicity or stability, it should be avoided. I prefer an app which makes something more simple but really well, than something too complex and full of bugs or unintuitive. It’s a looper first, becoming a bit more dawish doesn’t mean it should become a full heavy daw!!

    I agree!


    Mixing audio and midi is a true need in looping. See this workflow video I made a few days ago, with full song made in real time in less than 10 mn in AUM with 4Pockets apps:

    Agreed.

  • @janosax said:
    @dubbylabby that’s interesting but not what I’m searching for, I’m more after real-time composition and not automatic arrangers/notes generators. So midi tools all the way. If not in GTL it will perhaps be something like GTL + LK. I don’t want a powerful note generation, I want my own notes, aka my own groove and own feeling. That doesn’t mean I don’t use samples or generative stuff. And I’m not in hardware devices, much more in iPad. I want all in one compact and mobile solution, iOS has been rock solid and very capable all those years for me, for what I wanted/want to achieve. My video above is not live music, just a composition demo with 4Pockets apps. That is not exactly like my usual looping stuff using GTL.

    Gotcha!
    I will love ro see a real world performance then!

    For my needs it will be great any addition in any field (but keeping stability on top priority list) but I can do what I need nowadays. I’m a lucky one I suppose :blush:

    Keep sharing please!

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